Question: What effect do big money corporations have on lobbying for Open Borders and Illegal Immigration?
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Answer #1:
First of all, there is no such thing as "open borders". that's just another conspiracy made up by the Conservatives (mostly anti-immigration).This new ruling a a dream come true to those same Conservatives because they are all about corporations speaking for the American people and telling us how to live our lives. Cons hugs them very tight!
Answer #2:
not much because Republicans are already whining and dinning them so they pump their money into the anti-immigration agenda.Answer #3:
No such thing as Open Borders.Click Here
What is this "open borders lobby" people keep talking about on here?
Is there such a group? or are people trying to smear that title onto people who fight for illegals rights and people that support Amnesty?
Amnesty is not an open borders policy. It actually tightens security at the borders and the US hiring rules to.....nothing open about that! hmm!
Answer #4:
Have you ever wondered why it is the Republicans like Reagan and Busch, put all their weight behind immigration reform and amnesty and the Democrats talked big then dragged their feet?It's because Corporations want more open immigration and Labor Unions do not. Democrats are only concerned with their Hispanic constituents and family based immigration. Republicans want to import as much cheap labor as businesses want at the moment. Tougher immigration rules have caused the flight of factories and outsourcing. This does not just apply to people who jumped the fence and work as maids and busboys . The price of groceries has skyrocketed. Even Microsoft has moved a lot of operations overseas because it is too difficult to get visas for programmers.
You can hold anyone responsible that you want, but remember the American people are not one homogeneous body. There are a lot of forces at work here that you do not understand, unless you are an expert. Politicians say what they think you want to hear, then do what is in their best overall political interests.
Answer #5:
Rattler wrote:"First of all, there is no such thing as "open borders". that's just another conspiracy made up by the Conservatives (mostly anti-immigration)."--------------
First, I'm not a "conservative" on anything except opposition to amnesty--and plenty of rich Republicans want amnesty because they want cheap labor.
For the government to refuse to enforce the immigration laws IS de facto "open borders". Either everyone has to follow the legal process and come/remain here legally OR they don't. If they don't, that's "open borders". As the saying goes, a chain is as strong as its weakest link. Either you enforce a law or you don't.
And Bruce, your comments about U.S. companies moving overseas are bull. They've been doing that for years, during A PERIOD OF THE HIGHEST LEGAL AND ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION IN OUR HISTORY. Fact is, companies are going where they can get cheap labor--even Microsoft. Microsoft experienced no shortage of workers--if it had, it would have raised salaries to attract more, but it didn't. It also laid off contract workers for a week or two to save money, not what a company does if it's worried about getting workers. What you're suggesting is that we bring in illegal aliens and more legal immigrants to drive American wages down to the same levels that these workers come from, and probably, meanwhile, expecting us to provide the same social services (education, healthcare) that takes high wage workers to pay for--and to tolerate high rates of unemployment among American workers. Nope, Bruce, if companies want to go overseas for cheap labor, let'em. Of course, many such companies are finding that there are problems in doing so that make the cost savings negligible--problems such as quality (want to buy an Chinese-made dry wall or pet food?), security (the Indian medical transcriber who held confidential data hostage to extort her salary from the subcontractor), and infrastructure (uncertain electrical power, etc.) and even moving operations back to the U.S.
And Bruce, the price of groceries and other things may have skyrocketed but it isn't because of a shortage of cheap labor. You're forgetting the role of petroleum in things such as the transport of goods from producer to middlemen to consumer, as well as a component in products such as athletic shoes, plasticware, etc. When petroleum prices go up, it affects us not just at the pump, but for most of our consumption of goods and services.
Answer #6:
I had the same thought when this was decided.With all the money lobbying for cheap labor, who will advocate for the American worker.
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